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E3 and E4: RP 4, BTOM, POGI - On Trial
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Based on the evidence, what do you believe about RP 4, BTOM, and/or POGI?
All are guilty
82%
 82%  [ 41 ]
Only RP 4 is guilty
0%
 0%  [ 0 ]
Only BTOM and POGI are guilty
6%
 6%  [ 3 ]
All are innocent
12%
 12%  [ 6 ]
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Pedolol
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PostPosted: Wed May 02, 2007 9:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't wanna go against the wave here but..
Have you ever heard of the phrase "innocent until proven guilty"?
I think you're supposed to have concrete evidence of them being guilty, and not the other way around.(And I'm not saying there aren't such)

My 5 cents on this.

EDIT: I was referring to the guy who posted before me, seeing he was demanding the defendants to show obsolete proof with no reference to the proof of the accusers.
I have also stated I know there are evidence against the defendants, but whatever, no one understands me. Crying or Very sad

Court note: See Raine's post later in this thread. Evidence has been provided which created this case. This thread exists to provide the accused to explain why.
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PostPosted: Wed May 02, 2007 10:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wait, I've realized something. Some of POGI members, Zyrus of Neo Ark and Zark of Arch Angel had multi marks, now they don't.
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PostPosted: Wed May 02, 2007 11:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

im back Laughing ! sorry i overslept Cool ..

to slipknot,

omg! u mean we dont really have an internet cafe? i felt so upset about that.. not only u accussed us/me as a cheater but also a poor little dog like u who couldn't afford to support BD even once.. about the power thinggy, so ur actually telling the entire players of BD that if they gonna have the same power/rank does mean they are cheaters/mutiers? and also if the whole alliance attack at the same tick/time it means they are cheaters/multiers as well? u need to have a medicine for brain development Laughing
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PostPosted: Wed May 02, 2007 11:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Chris wrote:
As the one presiding over this trial, I'm not seeing vindicating evidence on the side of the defense. What I'm about to say might have cleared you if you had made the relation on your own (whether or not it was true), but the absence of it, seems to indicate the opposite.

In E3, Shiela, who somehow changed his/her name to Marian mid-game, claimed to own the Internet cafe and have cousins who played there and for whom he/she donated. Now apparently, it is your Dad who owns the cafe and friends who play. And the initial defense at the start of E3 by Shiela/Marian of the afp##### names that were identical (b/c they wanted to be identified as team members) was accepted as a valid explanation in ignorance of the fact that at least some of those players (or the single player?) play(s) in E2. That defense holds much less weight if they had previous world experience.

And also, all RP 4 accounts were made the same tick in E3, moments apart from each other. E4 makes it harder to tell since we had massive amounts of people joining, including all of the accused accounts, in the same tick.

'Just sharing more information. As some have said, the case is stacked against the accused. If those being accused wish to say something, now is the time. Otherwise the Admins will be hard-pressed to go against the will of the Community.


I rest Chris's case you have changed your story several times...
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PostPosted: Wed May 02, 2007 11:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

here we go again! it seems some players doesnt understand what is a guild for.. Let me explain, A guild is an gruop of people of the same trade or pursuits, formed to protect mutual interests and maintain standards of morality or conduct to achieve a particular aim so trading between guilds/alliance is one of the best ways to pawn killer Twisted Evil!! hahaha.. that is where that "STRATEGY" enters.. Laughing
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PostPosted: Wed May 02, 2007 11:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

cheating is nto a strategy. this sint a hrad case. face it youve lied over and over. youve done teh same things as countless of otehr mutlis in teh game. and stop avoiding fully answering any question by sucking up saying you bring palyers to teh game and saying stuff about other players that are personal issues.this is a case agaisnt a mutli not any persnoal agendas.youve lost just admit it.
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PostPosted: Wed May 02, 2007 11:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Interesting to note:

TemplarOfRage [ 8 Posts ]
dhenski [ 4 Posts ]
marian004 [ 1 Post ]

posts from the same IP...
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PostPosted: Wed May 02, 2007 12:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Heartbreak1 wrote:
Wait, I've realized something. Some of POGI members, Zyrus of Neo Ark and Zark of Arch Angel had multi marks, now they don't.
Its becuz Jhunaski lets them build up their pile of resources then goes on and takes them

(sorry for the double post, i gotta lot of points to show)
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PostPosted: Wed May 02, 2007 2:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

*gavel strikes several times calling for quiet in the court*

dhenksi,

Can you please address my post at the end of Page 3 that has now been quoted in Page 4 regarding the story that I personally have been given from Shiela/Marian in contrast to the story that you have given?

Both you and marian have neglected to answer that, which IMHO holds some of the most troubling facts.

Remember everyone, keep your posts fact-based and to the point. The items that should be addressed thus far are: 1) the lack of reply to facts posted; 2) the lack of defending evidence; and 3) the lack of contact from any but dhenski/JHunaski and Shiela/Marian (the latter being questionable based on the change of identities in E3 and dual identities in E4).

Thank you.
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PostPosted: Wed May 02, 2007 2:41 pm    Post subject: Re: ITS UP TO YOU ADMIN Reply with quote

Please spare me a moment to clarify some court room behavioral issues

Many of the posts so far are NOT court material. Post only if you have relevant material or conclusive evidence, not theoretical quasi-meaningful oppinions....

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Remember you can VOTE to express your oppinion without posting.

Multi-cheating/Multi abuse/Multi accounting

What is it? Multi abuse does not count friends and family members and such who play on the same ip. When you are accused of Multi accounting, it infers that 1 person holds multiple accounts themselves. This is against the rules and those who are offenders are banned.

Innocent until proven guilty.

The only reason a player or alliance would get a thread here would be because there has been enough cirmcumstancial evidence against the accused that he stands on the brink of being banned already just because of extremely suspicious activity. This is a chance for both sides to come up with why they the accused is guilty/innocent before any executive action is taken.

Settling this on the battlefield.

The point is, if you're cheating you've got an unfair advantage. Get it? That's why Multi-abusers are banned. That's why there is a court case about it. Most newby players don't stand a chance against a hoard of multis. Many veteran players may even have a hard time.

Proving Innocence

It's a simple thing to prove you're not cheating.... so stop clouding the issue with rhetoric and PROVE you are what you say you are. Long winded attempts to draw out superfluous arguements without presenting any actual hard proof as to your own innocence will only be taken as evidence against you in the end.

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PostPosted: Wed May 02, 2007 3:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I stand here in POGI's defence. This is a while ago but still if he was a cheater he would have been doing it from the word go I guess. When POGI and his lot were PS/PEX. We spent 2000 ticks basically just fighting these guys. We never really thought they were cheating at all because cheats would have done a better job at defending themselves. There might have been a multi or two mixed among the 30+ colonies but nothing to BAN alot of decent players over.

Maybe some other in our alliance thought they were multies but I atleast, didn't personally. There squads would all defend or attack on different ticks. They all seemed to be different players with varying degrees of english. Some spoke hardly any whilst others were easy to comprehend. That to me, is a good sign.

I'm positive some of these guys may be multies but this shouldn't man the banning of ALL of them. I'm pretty convinced POGI wasn't a mulit. I'm not saying this because I'm his friend, actually some of the hate mail we were getting while we were at war with them would have been better grounds for Banning them but that is another matter.

I'm not sure who these people are who are complaining against them but I kind of get the feeling its people trying to 'climb the battledawn forum ladder'.
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PostPosted: Wed May 02, 2007 5:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Alright, definitions have been given my Raine and some defense of POGI has been provided by stinkypuff. At this point, no further statements need to be made until jhenski responds to my statement in the middle of this page.

Nothing personal, but persons who post other than Jhenski or another member of the accused will have their statements removed. Otherwise, the unaddressed facts will get lost in the fray.
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